MINUTES OF THE 305th MEETING
GIís ĖThurston, Tidball, Luker, Dobson, Roberts, Curnow,
Pointon, Prout, Morgan (Bulwark), Jewell, Lewis, Cook,
GIís Holmes, MaCallum, Luther, McKie, Nuttycombe, Archer,
Bennett, Walker, Beer, Potts, Phipps, Horswill, Boyle,
Clarke, Richardson, Baker
The 305th Meeting was held in December 2015
The President opened the Meeting at 20:00 with the
Loyal Toast to Gunners, Missilemen and AWWís
Crossing the bar:
In respect of the 130 people killed on 13 November 2015 for
the crime of being in the French Capital on that fateful
The 304th Minutes were proposed by GI Dobson and Seconded
by GI Tidball
Books available on the table for inspection
Proposals book is on the table with one proposal in it for
the V P but we still need 2 more proposals for the positions
up for election in January. They are Treasurer, Social
Social Secretaryís Report:
As read by Secretary
From Danny Horswill to Craig Walker
Two years ago we were hosted by yourselves at the Plymouth
Aquarium. The night proved to be a great success. I spoke to
your dad (via e-mail)( G I Walker) as he is still in India I
should contact you direct. So what dates do you have in
March/April, and costings per head for around 60 people. I
am scouting for venues and you were top of the list.
From Craig Walker to Danny Hoswill
Nice to be top of the list Dates free as follows March 11th,
12th, 19th, April 15th, 29th,
30th, but they tend to go quickly.
Iíve spoken to Oggie wrt photos from the Ladies Night. She
has emailed everyone who put down for a
photo, to date she has only received 2 replies with
orders. If you havenít received a draft of your picture in
an email, let me know and Iíll get in touch with her.
If you have any feedback, good or bad, please let me
know so she can rectify any pick ups you may have.
I have spoken to G I Smith in Pompey reference their
Constitution he is sending me a copy so I can read it
and plagiarise it to suit our needs.
As of Christmas day I am a civvy.
As read by the Vice president
The information has already been sent out but that doesnít
stop me repeating myself.
I have arranged a 3 Wise Monkeys Trophy Games Night with the
TASIs for the March Meeting. They will meet us here and I
hope we muster a strong turnout to defend our Title. I will
organise some smally eats with Paul, if it goes anything
like the previous serials then it should be a great night
when we go for the treble! What I havenít mentioned before
is that theyíve asked if we will support their Charity this
time around, seeing as I have yet to source a suitable
charity, I am in favour.
The lack of New Joiners is a continuing worry for the life
of our Association. I donít believe in ordering Career
Courses to attend and will always stand by the opinion that
a volunteer is always better than a pressed man. Speaking
with the Career Courses when they come through MTU and
explaining what we are about with an invite to our meeting
hasnít really bourn the fruits Iíd hoped it would. Iím
always open to ideas as to how we can change this and GI
Prout has come up with the idea of: rather than get them to
come to us, why donít we come to them? This is pretty much
moving the mountain to Mohammed and Iíd like to explore
I run the PO and Killick courses and the Prez gives them a
good spiel about the Association. There are three courses a
year so I have suggested we conduct our meeting 3 times a
year over at Raleigh and go to them. February is the optimum
time for the first meeting over at Raleigh and the Killicks
bar has already been booked and smally eats will be put on.
There will not only be courses there but also instructors
who live on board who could also attend. Does that sound
like a good idea?
A quick show of hands showed it would be viable.
I propose we hold the February Meeting (11th) at
Naturally I will make it mandatory that Career Courses
attend if we cross over to the Duchy but I donít want it to
be at the expense of you and I donít want to abuse your
loyalty. If you want me to make this a proposal to be voted
for in January then I will but Iíd rather we get this
squared away as soon as is practically possible.
Apologies Rxíd from
GI Ďs Boyle, Beer, Walker, Holmes, Clarke, Lester, Archer,
Bennett, Richardson, Walker, Potts
GI Pilkington, MaCallum, Evans
G I Peplow (7th), Richardson (9th),
Lumley (12th), Stevenson (25th), Swain
(29th), Curnow (30th) Bladen who would
have been 56 on the 30th. Happy birthday to you
Still looking for a suitable charity. Guys, if you know of a
suitable charity where the gift of money will help an
ďunderdogĒ cause rather than get lost in expenses, please
highlight it to me.
With regards to the website, I must remind everyone that it
is not secure. Comments made there are visible to anyone and
everyone. Iím guilty of this and will/have contacted Ray to
remove my public comments. In light of the current threat I
will look at different ways of tightening up online security
but for now I will say no more about dates and times and
places of meetings and social serials online.
Portsmouth site has been taken down for the time being, it
will be up and running when Mike gets on to it.
Emails Rxíd from around the Globe:
Please send apologies for the GIís and wish then all the
best for the festive season, unfortunately I wonít be back
in time for the December Meeting.
G I MaCallum
Thanks for the sick note mench in the Minutes so sitrep
for this meeting.
my last contract on the Gin Palace I was in a bit of pain
with what I thought and some Medical minds
agreed was a back problem. Turned out it was all from my
hips initially the left one and further
revealed that the right was in pretty shit state too. So
double hip replacement, one Op on July 27th followed
the second on 1 Sept.
to say that recovery has gone well and now just about back
to normal with no pain. 'Twas interesting to
sure and I now have a complete new empathy for those who hav
to get around on crutches or are
handicapped in any way, very little provision made and
certainly no leeway from a busy and self indulgent
I have one more consultation and should be made fit for duty
at that visit and the company have
slotted me in on my ship on the 18th of Feb. I will be back
in the UK early in the New Year until that
you are still awake that is just about it for now. Please
pass on my kind regards to all at the Meeting.
great Xmas and a Happy New Year to you all.
From the Macattack!
I have just received my copy of the minutes from last months
meeting, I understand that I am not a member of the
Association at the moment, but I must say that I am quite
aggrieved by Terry Boyles comments in the AOB with regards
to the Remembrance Day Parade that was held on the Hoe on
GI Boyle: Well done for the Gents evening. Only
disappointment was the numbers. Not as many guests as I
thought there would be. A few said they would come but
didnít , follow up e-mails or texts to try to get the
numbers up. If it wasnít for the guests we would have been
Another thing, I went to the Hoe on Remembrance Sunday and a
Naval Guard walked past with a two badge Killick in charge
and he was poor. I would like to have shoved his Pace stick
up his arse and opened it. The Chief of the Parade just
stood there and did nothing. Officer of the Guard was just
as bad. Saying that the drill was ok, in time and
everything. But those in chargeÖ Unless youíre going to do a
good job, donít do it.
I would be very grateful if you would please read out my
response to Mr Boyle as he obviously canít be bothered in
finding out who the Chief of the Parade was, nor it seems
can he be bothered to speak to me personally about it. I
accept that everyone is allowed their own opinions on how
the event ran however, as you may of gathered I feel quite
strongly about my staff and myself being criticised without
being able to respond.
I would like to point out a number of things
The same routine has been conducted on the Hoe for at
least the 6 years without any criticism being voiced. The
whole event took around 4 months to organise and coordinate
by myself whilst dealing with a lot of outside authorities
and organisations including a Royal household. All drill
was conducted in accordance with BRd 1834 with some further
guidance having been sought from State Ceremonial Staff.
The Naval Guard were trained over a period of 2 weeks
with them only getting the middle weekend off from training
prior to the Parade which equates to some 60 hours training.
A Naval Guard donít walk past anyone or
anything they will always march and that is exactly
what this Naval Guard did and at all times.
The 2 badge killick was not in charge of the Guard at
all, all 3 Guards (RN, RM & 6 Rifles) had a Drill Instructor
with them to ensure conformity as the Army contingent (6
Rifles) are Reservists and could not afford the amount or
level of training desired and therefore required a DI.
ďThe Chief of the Parade just stood there and did
nothingĒ As the Chief of the Parade if I had to go around
the parade and sort things out then I would not of fulfilled
or conducted the training or the rehearsals adequately. I
also felt that this was not the occasion for barking and
shouting orders especially at veterans and cadets as itís
quite a sombre occasion and it was not warranted, however I
can quite happily say that if I felt that this was to be
required then it would of happened.
With regards to the Officer of the Guard, he was the
same Officer who took charge of the Guard last year and well
aware of what was required of him and conducted himself
If Mr Boyle is of the opinion that those in charge
did not do a good job then he may wish to speak to me
personally about this, at which point I would be quite happy
to show him and let him read the letters and emails of
thanks and recognition for providing the City with a
Remembrance Day Parade to be proud of, not only from the
Commodore of the Naval Base, The Lord Mayor of Plymouth and
also the Senior Serving Officers of all three Services who
paraded on the day but also from Prince Michael of Kentís
I can only apologise that the Parade did not come up
to Mr Boyles expectations. I feel that the cheers and the
amount of applause all the parading participants received,
from over four thousand members of the public as we
conducted the march pasts, in respect and to salute the two
monuments was obviously unfounded.
I am not sure how many of your members are of the same
feeling as Mr Boyle, hopefully he is of a minority. I pride
myself in being a member of the Royal Navy State Ceremonial
Cadre and I have and always will endeavour to achieve and
promote the highest possible standards of the Royal Navy
especially more so when it is viewed in the public eye.
Can I also take this opportunity in thanking you as
President of the Association for reading out my response to
Mr Boyles comments.
Chief of the Guard Devonport Naval Base
Raffle Prize donators:
GIís Roberts, Curnow, Pointon, Tidball, Prout
G I Morgan (D), Holmes (D), Luker, Jewell, Cook, Dobson,
G I Prout, Lewis, Dobson, Roberts, Jewell, Mickey Goble
Tonightís raffle raised £70 towards the Royal British
Taff Magraw who ran the pub, his wife got hold of me
concerning mesothelioma. The British Legion is campaigning
at the moment because if a civilian got this disease they
are likely to get around £180 K compensation and a service
person would get around £32K. I will put on my face book
account a link to a letter template so those who would like
to can fire of a letter to the government. The more people
do it the better.
G I Prout
Social jolly boys outing in December starting at the Hyde
Park pub at XX:XX until XX:XX then Greenbank to Kittyís
I went to a Warrants meeting in Excellent and the stuff we
are doing in the Association to try to bring in new blood,
they will be keeping a close eye on us to see how we make
out and if it is successful they may consider Killicks.
I have been tasked with putting together a paper to show
what the ethos of a Gunner was in the past, present and
future. I have emailed the fleet and any input is welcome
from the past, present. If you have any strong feeling about
the core of being a Gunner let me know. It could well end up
as a forward in the 1043 series.
You to everyone for your contributions.
Port fines incurred at Stag dinner
G I Minall, Prout, Horswill, Phipps, Lewis, Roberts, McKie
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and yours
The Meeting closed at 20.54
Meeting 306th will be held in January 2016.
See you at the next Meeting.
Nick & Ty